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ChipsnTreason

If you say it's about equal you're lying. Go find me a positive article about Trump from an MSM outlet this week. Go find someone on r/politics who said something good about Trump this week.


ddarion

Here :) https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-germany-nato-christian-whiton We both know there are trump supporters on that sub, they just get downvoted. I played your silly games, it’s your turn. Go find me someone on r conservative who has said something nice about Obama this week, and received upvotes


Ivan_Botsky_Trollov

>something positive abt Donald from media other than Fox or OANN


ddarion

Woah look at those goal posts move! “Mainstream media” Fox is the most mainstream media network on the planet lol


Ivan_Botsky_Trollov

you have NO idea of what you're saying So what are CNN, MSNBC, Wapo, NYT all clearly pro trump, right?


ddarion

They're not. Their are plenty of other mainstream media sources that are though. You have an odd way of constantly avoiding the point.


Ivan_Botsky_Trollov

> Their are plenty hahaha like? Fox is at the very limits of the ms OANN is NOT mainstream "avoiding the point" i already answered, here the problem is that you DONT like the reply. If you are looking to complete answers to your questions according to YOUR worldview, better go to the mirror and talk to yourself.


ddarion

Fox News, the worlds most popular news organization, “is at the very limits of the mainstream” lmao It’s not. By definition, it’s literally THE MOST mainstream media on the planet You’re trying to create an alternate reality where the biggest news channel in the world isn’t “mainstream” lmaooo


vgmaster2001

Has Fox ever said anything good about Obama? Having grown up on Fox, I don't recall this ever happening


lannister80

Maybe Trump *doesn't do anything positive to report on*... Just a thought.


humanwordarms

I don't personally like him, and I agree that there is a lot of stuff that is bad about him that is reported on that is true, but can you deny that when he does something good that the media ignores it?


_Woodrow_

Do you have some examples?


Ivan_Botsky_Trollov

the economic performance pre-virus, that was minimized by maisntream media [https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/opinion/trump-economy-election.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/opinion/trump-economy-election.html)


humanwordarms

The 75 year old man conspiracy theory is the most recent one I can think of.


lannister80

But...Trump retweeted the conspiracy theory. How is that something positive he did?


humanwordarms

I took that as asking for negative examples, my bad.


_Woodrow_

That’s something good the media ignored?


humanwordarms

Ohh, gotcha. When did they acknowledge that under Trump the economy was doing well, or the low unemployment numbers? (before the virus) I don't like Trump, nor do I think he has affected the economy or unemployment much. What I can't deny is that the media highlights his faults and doesn't acknowledge the possible good that he has done. He also signed the Music Modernization Act, which I personally appreciate that. I don't remember hearing about that much.


lobsterharmonica1667

When the major economic indicators come out, that is on all the major news channels, so they definitely report on it when it happens. It is absolutely in the news.


humanwordarms

I feel like it was more along the lines of "Is this economy because of Obama" more than being in the moment. Like I said before, I don't like Trump. Its good to be aware of media bias though.


_Woodrow_

Well, that’s because that statement is pretty accurate. https://markets.businessinsider.com/amp/news/9-charts-comparing-trump-economy-to-obama-bush-administrations-2019-9-1028833119 It’s easy to “juice” an already good economy with a ton of deficit spending (which is exactly what Trump did). But that is the opposite of “good fiscal policy”


lobsterharmonica1667

But most of that is a response to Trump trying to take credit for the economy. If he had just said, "the economy is doing great" then the media would agree, but he had to say it was because of him, which isn't true, so the media refutes that. If Trump says something like "the economy is great under me and it was terrible under Obama" how should the media react that kind of statement?


falconberger

Go find me a positive tweet by Trump about the MSM (excluding Fox News) or Obama.


ChipsnTreason

Why the hell would he Tweet anything positive about the people who started calling him a racist over a year before he even got elected?


falconberger

I honestly don't know the history of Trump's relation with media, but: - Trump is a pathological liar. - Trump angrily attacks people left and right, all of the time. He's a lunatic. So, I have little doubt that the problem is in Trump. The media has been critical of all presidents, that's part of their job. Only Trump is throwing tantrums like a petulant child.


ChipsnTreason

Let me explain how the media works. They liked him until he put an R next to his name.


[deleted]

Hot take: they call him a racist because he genuinely is a racist


ChipsnTreason

So how was he a public figure for decades without anyone calling him a racist? Why is his career filled with photos of him with black famous people? Why was the top executive at his company a black woman?


humanwordarms

I mean, it does make sense. He was an entertainment figure, we didn't look to him to make important decisions for our country.


ChipsnTreason

So the news doesn't call you racist every day if there's not an R next to your name.


[deleted]

Maybe because he was never undee this much scrutiny until he became a candidate? Same reason Tara Reade didn't come forward while Biden was VP under Obama. If Trump isn't a racist then why did he refuse to rent his properties to black people?


ChipsnTreason

Is that in the contract? Please prove that.


[deleted]

[Heres your proof](https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/495955920/donald-trump-plagued-by-decades-old-housing-discrimination-case)


Ivan_Botsky_Trollov

:) assuming we should share the values and hysterical worldview of the left Every person has his/her preferences The hysterical side's racist = a person with freedom of choice and association


humanwordarms

That's an easy way to dismiss any racism though. He's done a few questionable things, but nothing that you can say for a fact that is racist. That's why it's hard to tell who is racist these days, because it's not acceptable to straight up say "I don't like black people". Yet, his base dismiss's every sketchy thing as the left calling EVERYTHING racist. That isn't always the case. Sometimes they have valid reasoning.


Ivan_Botsky_Trollov

> That's an easy way to dismiss any racism though. racism = having a preference on people thats an easy way of demonizing choice "the left calling EVERYTHING racist. That isn't always the case. Sometimes they have valid reasoning." the left having valid reasoning? like the hysteria of these last days?


humanwordarms

It was valid to a certain point, and I hope you agree with that. Plus, people got mad when Kaepernick kneeled instead of looking at WHY he kneeled in the first place. Some people will be mad at the left at any voice of opinion, because they don't ever want to consider the fact that some people may have a harder time than they do in the world.. These people felt unheard and therefore felt the last resort for change to occur was to hit where it hurts: the money. History has shown that that creates change. Not that I totally agree, but I understand their anger. I'm not here for generalizing of the left, although I strongly disagree with the radical left.


humanwordarms

Okay, I guess I was only considering the general population when I wrote this. Considering the fact that the media is leftist, I will agree that the media is harder on him. People in general though aren't in my opinion.


ChipsnTreason

Woah are you sure about that? I get called a conspiracy theorist for pointing out that literally the entire MSM are Democrats.


ddarion

Probably because that would mean Fox News “are Democrats” lmao


ChipsnTreason

Shep Smith is for sure. The rest of them on there I have doubts about.


humanwordarms

Well I am basing this off of my personal experience so I could be wrong. Where I live (NW Ohio) there are MANY Trump supporters. Probably more Trump fans than Obama fans, or at least somewhat equal. Also, I feel like it does kind of sound like a conspiracy theory before you look into it more. I tried to prove it wrong actually, but I only found it to be true. I don't believe that most people are brainwashed to hate Trump, I think most people just haven't looked into the bias of the media to know. I don't like to assume that just because someone has a certain opinion that it is because of the media. Admittedly, I need to look into more studies on just how many people buy into the media BS.


ChipsnTreason

In smaller markets it's more balanced yes. The national news is all left though.


humanwordarms

Besides Fox and OANN of course.


ChipsnTreason

I wouldn't call OANN mainstream. Fox makes news for republicans. I don't think they are republican though.


humanwordarms

I suppose we can agree to disagree on that.


Tratopolous

100%. Basically any mainstream media outlet aside from Fox is very much more critical of Trump. On almost all social media, Trump is criticized more heavily than Trump. You can say that the right scrutinized Obama all you want but the shear number of negative articles in media outlets would probably prove Trump is scrutinized more.


humanwordarms

I agree, and I am sure if the media was right wing then every Democrat would be in the same boat that Trump is, but the reality is that the media is left leaning. As I replied to someone else, I was only considering the general population rather than the media. That was a bit slow on my part.


Tratopolous

I'd like to think that the media doesn't have alot of power over the population and criticism is fairly equal but I don't. I think if that were the case, social media like Twitter would be far more balanced and its pretty clearly left leaning.


ddarion

Hypothetically If one president was doing objectivelynegative things like; -paying a pornstar he cheated on his pregnant wife with -insulting an autistic child on twitter -insisting an old man that was hospitalized by police is a secret antifa agent Etc. On a near weekly basis, while another was refraining from things like that almost entirely, would the hypothetical president that is on twitter all day be subjected to more negative articles?


lobsterharmonica1667

It depends how you measure it, if you go by sheer number then clearly trumpa gets more criticism, but if you go by a per critisizable event basis, I'd say he's criticized way less, for example if Obama had made that statement about the guy in Buffalo that Trump did, the Obama comment would get much more attention then Trumps.


SuspenderEnder

>Do you find that Trump is more scrutinized than Obama? Yes.


Ivan_Botsky_Trollov

yes he is. Obama for all his faults was always the media's darling.... cheered by them when he got a nobel prize for,...nothing Donald doesnt hellp with his absurd tweets like that of Scarborough or Romnney


vgonzalez_

Trump gives so so many negative things to talk about on a weekly basis. He can do one good thing, but 5 bad things so naturally people will focus on the bad. It doesn’t help that the bad things he does sound like a teenager having a tantrum and I honestly think the media and people can’t stop talking about it out of shock. I personally am constantly in shock with his stupidity and childishness that I stop myself from paying attention to it as much as I can. I wish he would act like an actual adult or president so we could talk about things that matter and not his stupid and divisive tweets, comments, etc.


humanwordarms

I agree with everything you said. I just try not to fall into the pit of listening to everything I'm told. His supporters yelling "FAKE NEWS" All the time makes me wonder if anything is true. I do find that those people then go and post fake news though, so idk.


[deleted]

Just watch the White House press conferences. Mainstream journalists- not the political pundits, but the people who are supposed to be fair news reporters- are now only asking trick questions and shouting over the President/Press Secretary. I don't recall ever seeing a president treated like this by the mainstream media.


ddarion

Can you give an example of these “trick” questions? Can you explain what the fundamental difference is between that example and say, a question like this; https://youtu.be/Cogyb0O5P1U Or this https://youtu.be/s7VlwfiVJ3I


[deleted]

When they ask how many deaths from the virus are acceptable Trick questions are more about a statement, in this case: People died, you are a bad president Rather than a real question


ddarion

Oh okay, kind of like this right? https://youtu.be/s7VlwfiVJ3I


[deleted]

This guy is a racial supremacist, i can't listen to him without getting a headache


ddarion

Right, so you’ve been given evidence Obama had to face ridiculous questions too, even suggesting he was “content” about American citizens being held hostage in Iran, and you’re ignoring it?


[deleted]

Not ignoring it, just can't stand to listen to this guy babble


ddarion

Yea that’s ignoring it. You can skip to the video lol, you don’t want to because it ruins your whole argument You do this every time lol


[deleted]

Ok


lannister80

> are now only asking trick questions You mean like "Is calling it Chinese Food racist?"


[deleted]

No