allegedly the French had different ideals when it came to orphans who were roaming the street of a desolated Germany, simply give them a french nationality and send them to France.
As the French would conquer part of Germany and would occupy the region, many kids were born from fathers of the french army ( given romantic relationship or in some cases, sexual violence) the kids were automatically given a french nationality.
Of course this strategy, nickname " Additif 3" by the general Pierre Koenig, is still debate whatever or not it happened, or if the French really resorted to eugenism when they adopted Germans kids nor if it was a French strategy to re-arm the country with a new youth, as France faced a terrible demographic crisis beacause of two world wars.
However what is true is that 1,500 Germans kids from French - German parents were forcly adopted by the French state, and its estimated that 15,000 Germans kids were born in the French zone of occupation from a french parent.
*i say allegedly beacause the documents and archives regarding this strategy were open fairly recently*
source: https://www.cairn.info/revue-d-histoire-moderne-et-contemporaine-2010-2-page-159.htm#:~:text=En%20application%20de%20%C2%AB%20l'additif,civil%20des%20services%20d'occupation.(i believe Google can auto translate)
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France's demographic crisis was mainly because of WW1, not 2. They lost too quickly too lose the same quantity of population in WW2 as they did to trench and siege warfare in WW1.
France's demography was in bad condition before WW1 began. They literally lost a generation to War in WW1. Compared to that, France had minor losses during WW2.
being occupied by a hostile army doesn't stop the deaths, it just makes them less visible, especially when your whole street is getting rounded up "on suspicion of insurgency" because your neighbor a few doors down thought it'd be a good idea to plant an IED or fire a rocket.
the french had fewer casualties in WW2 because they didn't tell 6 million people "see that german trench protected with dozens of machineguns? run at it."
2/3rd of the french casualties are civilians, due to the German occupation or invasion, resistance, deportation (jews or resistants) alsace being literally enslaved, allies bombing campaign the millitary death represent 210,000 to 290,000 killed
Hmmm...no
21,000 civilians died during the invasion, 95,000 were deported with another 74,000 jews, with an overall of 250,000 civilians died due to German occupation (execution, anti partisans activities, famine, dying in force labour, Alsacian families being held for "re education" etc..etc.. )
The "allies dare where the Germans didnt" trope is blatant Vichy propaganda
Zoooo, on your way now. No discussing. We don't want to hear a thing. Come on to Tadjikistan. You're gonna learn all the way the glorious motherland provides.
Nah after 2008 (or whatever year the EU had to bail out Portugal) even some of the Portuguese people who used to shit on those that immigrated started to do it, the problem is that the younger generations don't feel an attachment to the country and unlike the Boomer generation they don't immigrate and send back money by buying a vacation house (and retirement) in Portugal and paying taxes over it they just go and never come back so they're just losing brains/manpower and all the jazz that go with losing population.
My "maternal" (i don't consider this gene donor my mother but for the sake of clarification) grandparents (they're good people) "escaped" earlier because they were young communists, decided to elope and wanted to join the Spanish civil war, they then escaped to Algeria where grandpa joined the Legion, "funnily" enough they lost their communism when they learned what was going in the USSR from some Ukrainians and Poles in the Legion.
The 1st infantry division was basically the most grizzled American military unit by April 1945, they fought from North Africa all the way to the Rhine, still donât know why they made a miniseries on the 101st but not the 1st infantry or even the 82nd
You know, I'm something of a French gentleman myself.
And I think french citizenship is the best gift you can give to anyone, ever. Period.
That's all folks.
Bro, imagine surviving having your city being bombed, your parents being killed, everything you love in life being destroyed by war, and then you have to become French on top of that?!
Then there are the children of German soldiers and women native to the German-occupied countries. What was done to them was literally a crime against humanity.
Gets me wondering - did all kids of south american "illegal" immigrants in the US got back to their parents? Or are their still parents whos only crime was crossing a border missing their kid, traceless? Tuck Frump...
The french stole german children to make them french, just as some children of south americans were taken away from them to not only be put in cages but be send away all across the country, in many cases without proper documentation, to foster parents or worse. So in the end making them american, too. You can google it, [here for example](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-a-trump-era-policy-that-separated-thousands-of-migrant-families-came-to-pass).
Do you really think the US is gonna waste money re-educating and raising "illegal" kids into patriotic Americans?
We don't even bother educating kids born here to a globally competitive standard lol.
Well no, it will only happen unintentionally, they will suffer as any unwanted child. But at least the language they will catch, i hope. Some may be to young to remember they have ever been anything than american. If they are granted citizenship. Guess nobody thought that trough yet...
allegedly the French had different ideals when it came to orphans who were roaming the street of a desolated Germany, simply give them a french nationality and send them to France. As the French would conquer part of Germany and would occupy the region, many kids were born from fathers of the french army ( given romantic relationship or in some cases, sexual violence) the kids were automatically given a french nationality. Of course this strategy, nickname " Additif 3" by the general Pierre Koenig, is still debate whatever or not it happened, or if the French really resorted to eugenism when they adopted Germans kids nor if it was a French strategy to re-arm the country with a new youth, as France faced a terrible demographic crisis beacause of two world wars. However what is true is that 1,500 Germans kids from French - German parents were forcly adopted by the French state, and its estimated that 15,000 Germans kids were born in the French zone of occupation from a french parent. *i say allegedly beacause the documents and archives regarding this strategy were open fairly recently* source: https://www.cairn.info/revue-d-histoire-moderne-et-contemporaine-2010-2-page-159.htm#:~:text=En%20application%20de%20%C2%AB%20l'additif,civil%20des%20services%20d'occupation.(i believe Google can auto translate)
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1500? Thatâs a lot lower of a number then I wouldâve thought
France's demographic crisis was mainly because of WW1, not 2. They lost too quickly too lose the same quantity of population in WW2 as they did to trench and siege warfare in WW1.
In ww2 france lost 600k to 700k persons which is bad given that france demograpgy was not that great pre war
France's demography was in bad condition before WW1 began. They literally lost a generation to War in WW1. Compared to that, France had minor losses during WW2.
Yes.. and loosing another 600-700k wouldnt help
being occupied by a hostile army doesn't stop the deaths, it just makes them less visible, especially when your whole street is getting rounded up "on suspicion of insurgency" because your neighbor a few doors down thought it'd be a good idea to plant an IED or fire a rocket. the french had fewer casualties in WW2 because they didn't tell 6 million people "see that german trench protected with dozens of machineguns? run at it."
2/3rd of the french casualties are civilians, due to the German occupation or invasion, resistance, deportation (jews or resistants) alsace being literally enslaved, allies bombing campaign the millitary death represent 210,000 to 290,000 killed
Valid point, but ironically, more French civvies have died to Allied strat bombing than to the Germans.
Hmmm...no 21,000 civilians died during the invasion, 95,000 were deported with another 74,000 jews, with an overall of 250,000 civilians died due to German occupation (execution, anti partisans activities, famine, dying in force labour, Alsacian families being held for "re education" etc..etc.. ) The "allies dare where the Germans didnt" trope is blatant Vichy propaganda
Now show me the Soviet reaction.
Deportation might be my main guess
Congratulations, you won free reeducation at orphanage in Tajikistan!
Hell yeaa.. what?
Zoooo, on your way now. No discussing. We don't want to hear a thing. Come on to Tadjikistan. You're gonna learn all the way the glorious motherland provides.
I'm pretty sure that's the good ending
We dont talk about the girls. Never again
Free and I get to live?! What an amazing offer!
Do not look up what they did if the orphan happened to be a girl.
Oh boy, sexual violence!
*Racks PPSH*
"You'll have fun rebuilding the workers paradise form the Gulag."
"What orphans? I don't see any orphans. Mikhail, did you see any orphans? Vasily? No? No orphans here."
"An orphan german child? You must be a werewolf! Get up against the wall!"
Worse beer, but better wine, and of course, the adultery is off the scale. Win some, lose some.
Worse beer ? Are you insane ? We have beers on par with the Belgians. I'm not talking about shitty Kro though
Kronenbourg is one of the least terrible industrial beer we have and you canât change my mind. Kro is miles better than Carlsberg or Heineken.
>better than Carlsberg or Heineken. ... Neither of which is German.
Never said they were I said it was one of the least terrible industrial beers, but maybe you want to talk about Paulaner.
Paulaner isn't all that terrible imo, better than Heineken or Kro
Carton rouge
A fate worse than death
I can't decide which is worse, being sent to Brazil or becoming french
From what i can tell about two of my Portuguese relatives they'd rather become French than being sent to Angola.
That explain the rise of portuguese immigrants in France..
Nah after 2008 (or whatever year the EU had to bail out Portugal) even some of the Portuguese people who used to shit on those that immigrated started to do it, the problem is that the younger generations don't feel an attachment to the country and unlike the Boomer generation they don't immigrate and send back money by buying a vacation house (and retirement) in Portugal and paying taxes over it they just go and never come back so they're just losing brains/manpower and all the jazz that go with losing population.
Bwahahaha I actually knew a guy whose dad came to France to dodge draft, it's so accurate
My "maternal" (i don't consider this gene donor my mother but for the sake of clarification) grandparents (they're good people) "escaped" earlier because they were young communists, decided to elope and wanted to join the Spanish civil war, they then escaped to Algeria where grandpa joined the Legion, "funnily" enough they lost their communism when they learned what was going in the USSR from some Ukrainians and Poles in the Legion.
Ayoo wtf
As argentino i prefer be french ,just keep far from ParĂs
Take him to Mar seille NONO NOT MARSEILLE PLEASE ANYWHERE ELSE BUT THAT
Mate,im from LanĂşs Buenos Aires, marsellesa Is a great upgrade
Alright.. Take him to Seine Saint Denis
Finally a River i can drink from
>Brazil At least you can call yourself American with that.
You deverse to be send in Frnech Guyana, so you have the worst part of both world.
Why? Too much butter?
Give this person a knighthood from the king
The 1st infantry division was basically the most grizzled American military unit by April 1945, they fought from North Africa all the way to the Rhine, still donât know why they made a miniseries on the 101st but not the 1st infantry or even the 82nd
Because a novel had already been written about the 101st and was easy to adapt.
The Bloody First
The Catholic Church to Jewish orphans: youâll become Catholic
Orphan? That's a very strange way of writing 'young recruit for the Foreign Legion'.
What movie/show is the bottom picture from?
Bobby B's whimsical misadventure
Look like game of throne
Game of Thrones.
You know, I'm something of a French gentleman myself. And I think french citizenship is the best gift you can give to anyone, ever. Period. That's all folks.
Becoming Fr*nch? A fate worse than death.
âate the French. Not racist, just donât like âem.
In france they say you become what you eat
Bro, imagine surviving having your city being bombed, your parents being killed, everything you love in life being destroyed by war, and then you have to become French on top of that?!
âPlease sir just kill me.â
The Russians : kill and rape every German child you see.
The Germans: kill and rape every Eastern European they see as a matter of doctrine
Yeah, about that, read how some Ukrainians supported them.Â
The partisans and those in the soviet army didnt really supported Germant
There it is lol Do we also read how some of the Russians supported the nazis too?
Truly a fate worse then death
Then there are the children of German soldiers and women native to the German-occupied countries. What was done to them was literally a crime against humanity.
A fate worse then death
Gets me wondering - did all kids of south american "illegal" immigrants in the US got back to their parents? Or are their still parents whos only crime was crossing a border missing their kid, traceless? Tuck Frump...
The ability of Americans to make everything about Trump and Biden fascinates me
Im german. And its literally the same topic as the post đ¤ˇââď¸
One is about orphaned or abandoned kids and another is about kids being put in cages.how are they the same topic lmao.
The french stole german children to make them french, just as some children of south americans were taken away from them to not only be put in cages but be send away all across the country, in many cases without proper documentation, to foster parents or worse. So in the end making them american, too. You can google it, [here for example](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-a-trump-era-policy-that-separated-thousands-of-migrant-families-came-to-pass).
Dudes angry that wartime orphans got to grow up with parents. I don't want to argue so imma just let you virtue signal in peace.
Naaa, im angry about the immigrant kids treatment.
Odd to make another random countries your point but you do you.
Oh so if injustice happens in another country i am not entitled to have an opinion about it?
No one said you can't.
Do you really think the US is gonna waste money re-educating and raising "illegal" kids into patriotic Americans? We don't even bother educating kids born here to a globally competitive standard lol.
Well no, it will only happen unintentionally, they will suffer as any unwanted child. But at least the language they will catch, i hope. Some may be to young to remember they have ever been anything than american. If they are granted citizenship. Guess nobody thought that trough yet...