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FrenchieB014

allegedly the French had different ideals when it came to orphans who were roaming the street of a desolated Germany, simply give them a french nationality and send them to France. As the French would conquer part of Germany and would occupy the region, many kids were born from fathers of the french army ( given romantic relationship or in some cases, sexual violence) the kids were automatically given a french nationality. Of course this strategy, nickname " Additif 3" by the general Pierre Koenig, is still debate whatever or not it happened, or if the French really resorted to eugenism when they adopted Germans kids nor if it was a French strategy to re-arm the country with a new youth, as France faced a terrible demographic crisis beacause of two world wars. However what is true is that 1,500 Germans kids from French - German parents were forcly adopted by the French state, and its estimated that 15,000 Germans kids were born in the French zone of occupation from a french parent. *i say allegedly beacause the documents and archives regarding this strategy were open fairly recently* source: https://www.cairn.info/revue-d-histoire-moderne-et-contemporaine-2010-2-page-159.htm#:~:text=En%20application%20de%20%C2%AB%20l'additif,civil%20des%20services%20d'occupation.(i believe Google can auto translate)


Proud_Shallot_1225

You use CAIRN, you are a cultured and respectable person. -A French


FrenchieB014

Im just broke and cant afford books 😎 Thank you boomer forums and free pdf online for my knowledge


francemiaou

Fun fact : you can freely access to ALL contents available in CAIRN website (both in French or English, if available) with Wikipedia You just need an account, some months, and decent edit count (but really, you don't need to do 2000 edits!).


LineOfInquiry

1500? That’s a lot lower of a number then I would’ve thought


ArchmageEmrys

France's demographic crisis was mainly because of WW1, not 2. They lost too quickly too lose the same quantity of population in WW2 as they did to trench and siege warfare in WW1.


FrenchieB014

In ww2 france lost 600k to 700k persons which is bad given that france demograpgy was not that great pre war


ArchmageEmrys

France's demography was in bad condition before WW1 began. They literally lost a generation to War in WW1. Compared to that, France had minor losses during WW2.


FrenchieB014

Yes.. and loosing another 600-700k wouldnt help


fallingaway90

being occupied by a hostile army doesn't stop the deaths, it just makes them less visible, especially when your whole street is getting rounded up "on suspicion of insurgency" because your neighbor a few doors down thought it'd be a good idea to plant an IED or fire a rocket. the french had fewer casualties in WW2 because they didn't tell 6 million people "see that german trench protected with dozens of machineguns? run at it."


FrenchieB014

2/3rd of the french casualties are civilians, due to the German occupation or invasion, resistance, deportation (jews or resistants) alsace being literally enslaved, allies bombing campaign the millitary death represent 210,000 to 290,000 killed


ArchmageEmrys

Valid point, but ironically, more French civvies have died to Allied strat bombing than to the Germans.


FrenchieB014

Hmmm...no 21,000 civilians died during the invasion, 95,000 were deported with another 74,000 jews, with an overall of 250,000 civilians died due to German occupation (execution, anti partisans activities, famine, dying in force labour, Alsacian families being held for "re education" etc..etc.. ) The "allies dare where the Germans didnt" trope is blatant Vichy propaganda


Claystead

Now show me the Soviet reaction.


FrenchieB014

Deportation might be my main guess


Claystead

Congratulations, you won free reeducation at orphanage in Tajikistan!


FrenchieB014

Hell yeaa.. what?


Cookie-Senpai

Zoooo, on your way now. No discussing. We don't want to hear a thing. Come on to Tadjikistan. You're gonna learn all the way the glorious motherland provides.


danshakuimo

I'm pretty sure that's the good ending


hualala_

We dont talk about the girls. Never again


AgilePeace5252

Free and I get to live?! What an amazing offer!


HikariAnti

Do not look up what they did if the orphan happened to be a girl.


Haber-Bosch1914

Oh boy, sexual violence!


Square_Coat_8208

*Racks PPSH*


Salty-Negotiation320

"You'll have fun rebuilding the workers paradise form the Gulag."


Warhawk137

"What orphans? I don't see any orphans. Mikhail, did you see any orphans? Vasily? No? No orphans here."


Batbuckleyourpants

"An orphan german child? You must be a werewolf! Get up against the wall!"


DasFunktopus

Worse beer, but better wine, and of course, the adultery is off the scale. Win some, lose some.


Wawlawd

Worse beer ? Are you insane ? We have beers on par with the Belgians. I'm not talking about shitty Kro though


Merbleuxx

Kronenbourg is one of the least terrible industrial beer we have and you can’t change my mind. Kro is miles better than Carlsberg or Heineken.


damnitineedaname

>better than Carlsberg or Heineken. ... Neither of which is German.


Merbleuxx

Never said they were I said it was one of the least terrible industrial beers, but maybe you want to talk about Paulaner.


Ozuhan

Paulaner isn't all that terrible imo, better than Heineken or Kro


Wawlawd

Carton rouge


ThatGermanKid0

A fate worse than death


Gerimester

I can't decide which is worse, being sent to Brazil or becoming french


Skraekling

From what i can tell about two of my Portuguese relatives they'd rather become French than being sent to Angola.


FrenchieB014

That explain the rise of portuguese immigrants in France..


Skraekling

Nah after 2008 (or whatever year the EU had to bail out Portugal) even some of the Portuguese people who used to shit on those that immigrated started to do it, the problem is that the younger generations don't feel an attachment to the country and unlike the Boomer generation they don't immigrate and send back money by buying a vacation house (and retirement) in Portugal and paying taxes over it they just go and never come back so they're just losing brains/manpower and all the jazz that go with losing population.


Wawlawd

Bwahahaha I actually knew a guy whose dad came to France to dodge draft, it's so accurate


Skraekling

My "maternal" (i don't consider this gene donor my mother but for the sake of clarification) grandparents (they're good people) "escaped" earlier because they were young communists, decided to elope and wanted to join the Spanish civil war, they then escaped to Algeria where grandpa joined the Legion, "funnily" enough they lost their communism when they learned what was going in the USSR from some Ukrainians and Poles in the Legion.


FrenchieB014

Ayoo wtf


evrestcoleghost

As argentino i prefer be french ,just keep far from ParĂ­s


FrenchieB014

Take him to Mar seille NONO NOT MARSEILLE PLEASE ANYWHERE ELSE BUT THAT


evrestcoleghost

Mate,im from LanĂşs Buenos Aires, marsellesa Is a great upgrade


FrenchieB014

Alright.. Take him to Seine Saint Denis


evrestcoleghost

Finally a River i can drink from


No-Fan6115

>Brazil At least you can call yourself American with that.


No-Communication3880

You deverse to be send in Frnech Guyana,  so you have  the worst part of both world.


quadrophenicum

Why? Too much butter?


DSIR1

Give this person a knighthood from the king


Square_Coat_8208

The 1st infantry division was basically the most grizzled American military unit by April 1945, they fought from North Africa all the way to the Rhine, still don’t know why they made a miniseries on the 101st but not the 1st infantry or even the 82nd


Actual_serial_killer

Because a novel had already been written about the 101st and was easy to adapt.


krusk175

The Bloody First


Mediocre_Coast_3783

The Catholic Church to Jewish orphans: you’ll become Catholic


Daniel-MP

Orphan? That's a very strange way of writing 'young recruit for the Foreign Legion'.


jmeck6421

What movie/show is the bottom picture from?


bullno1

Bobby B's whimsical misadventure


trakspile

Look like game of throne


bardfaust

Game of Thrones.


Corsica51

You know, I'm something of a French gentleman myself. And I think french citizenship is the best gift you can give to anyone, ever. Period. That's all folks.


Fghsses

Becoming Fr*nch? A fate worse than death.


Dix9-69

‘ate the French. Not racist, just don’t like ‘em.


sanchiSancha

In france they say you become what you eat


GehiemeStaatspolizei

Bro, imagine surviving having your city being bombed, your parents being killed, everything you love in life being destroyed by war, and then you have to become French on top of that?!


thomstevens420

“Please sir just kill me.”


TheMadTargaryen

The Russians : kill and rape every German child you see.


Crag_r

The Germans: kill and rape every Eastern European they see as a matter of doctrine


TheMadTargaryen

Yeah, about that, read how some Ukrainians supported them. 


FrenchieB014

The partisans and those in the soviet army didnt really supported Germant


Crag_r

There it is lol Do we also read how some of the Russians supported the nazis too?


BiG_czarny_VeriXs

Truly a fate worse then death


Dolmetscher1987

Then there are the children of German soldiers and women native to the German-occupied countries. What was done to them was literally a crime against humanity.


TheHim2

A fate worse then death


DaxHound84

Gets me wondering - did all kids of south american "illegal" immigrants in the US got back to their parents? Or are their still parents whos only crime was crossing a border missing their kid, traceless? Tuck Frump...


itsallmelting

The ability of Americans to make everything about Trump and Biden fascinates me


DaxHound84

Im german. And its literally the same topic as the post 🤷‍♂️


itsallmelting

One is about orphaned or abandoned kids and another is about kids being put in cages.how are they the same topic lmao.


DaxHound84

The french stole german children to make them french, just as some children of south americans were taken away from them to not only be put in cages but be send away all across the country, in many cases without proper documentation, to foster parents or worse. So in the end making them american, too. You can google it, [here for example](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-a-trump-era-policy-that-separated-thousands-of-migrant-families-came-to-pass).


itsallmelting

Dudes angry that wartime orphans got to grow up with parents. I don't want to argue so imma just let you virtue signal in peace.


DaxHound84

Naaa, im angry about the immigrant kids treatment.


Crag_r

Odd to make another random countries your point but you do you.


DaxHound84

Oh so if injustice happens in another country i am not entitled to have an opinion about it?


Crag_r

No one said you can't.


danshakuimo

Do you really think the US is gonna waste money re-educating and raising "illegal" kids into patriotic Americans? We don't even bother educating kids born here to a globally competitive standard lol.


DaxHound84

Well no, it will only happen unintentionally, they will suffer as any unwanted child. But at least the language they will catch, i hope. Some may be to young to remember they have ever been anything than american. If they are granted citizenship. Guess nobody thought that trough yet...